tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post8819168861773203824..comments2023-09-11T02:30:21.736-07:00Comments on Just a Man with his Thoughts: The Audacity of FaithThe Griperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-9112039120141596172008-11-02T21:42:00.000-08:002008-11-02T21:42:00.000-08:00The point that I was trying to make is that a pers...The point that I was trying to make is that a person can make <B>a Whole String of Correct Truths</B>, such as in the linked article that I just mentioned, and than <B>One Incorrect Statement</B> can be inserted along with it and the reader is lead to believe that since everything else in the article is true, than so is the one untruth that was inserted with it.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-44399825894840755082008-10-30T21:15:00.000-07:002008-10-30T21:15:00.000-07:00he grins, that's one of the beauties of discussion...he grins, that's one of the beauties of discussion when it is approached with an open mind. you end up looking at the same issue from a different perspective. and if approached in the right manner can end up deepening your knowledge of the issue. and once that is done helps you in the next discussion with another person.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-72681554648077664862008-10-30T17:00:00.000-07:002008-10-30T17:00:00.000-07:00This discussion reminds me of the post I did entit...This discussion reminds me of the post I did entitled "<A HREF="http://wwwramblingsoflista.blogspot.com/2008/10/susan-jacobys-age-of-american-unreason.html" REL="nofollow">Susan Jacoby's "The Age of American Unreason"</A>". I ended up agreeing with everything in the linked article that BB left me with the exception of one single phrase, which of course, turned out to be one of the main thesis Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-29199254901634484572008-10-30T16:40:00.000-07:002008-10-30T16:40:00.000-07:00i covered that possibility when i said that it mig...i covered that possibility when i said that it might be literally true, lista. remember we are speaking of using the truth to deceive.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-73272810040554621282008-10-30T15:58:00.000-07:002008-10-30T15:58:00.000-07:00Awe! But I don't think that everyone who is accus...Awe! But I don't think that everyone who is accused of being a liar necessarily is one. For example, if someone says that the Bush administration lied to us about their motives for going to war. Actually the war is about oil or finishing what Bush Sr. started. There is really no way, though, to prove what someone's true motives are. That is purely speculation.<BR/><BR/>There is no proof thatListahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-51347490534679860692008-10-30T11:47:00.000-07:002008-10-30T11:47:00.000-07:00you got the gist of it. you see it used in politic...you got the gist of it. you see it used in political campaigns all the time in the use of negative campaigning.<BR/><BR/>example,<BR/><BR/>"my opponent is a liar." <BR/><BR/>that may be literally true. the implication is that since he is a liar then you should vote for me.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-51533270138323131822008-10-30T11:34:00.000-07:002008-10-30T11:34:00.000-07:00I think the most common form is "If this be true, ...I think the most common form is "If this be true, therefore..." in which the first part of the statement is true, but the "Therefore" is not and yes, this can either be clearly stated or implied.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-22015376291310815582008-10-30T11:31:00.000-07:002008-10-30T11:31:00.000-07:00I think the most common form is "Since this be tru...I think the most common form is "Since this be true, therefore..." in which the first part of the statement is true, but the "Therefore" is not and yes, this can either be clearly stated or just implied.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-65554135997335839762008-10-30T11:24:00.000-07:002008-10-30T11:24:00.000-07:00yup. don't even need to twist it. just create an i...yup. don't even need to twist it. just create an implication in another person's mind or by focusing attention on something where it should not be focused.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-24428569329155079742008-10-30T11:17:00.000-07:002008-10-30T11:17:00.000-07:00True. The most effective of deceptions start with...True. The most effective of deceptions start with the truth and than twists it a little.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-12049438840974714962008-10-30T11:13:00.000-07:002008-10-30T11:13:00.000-07:00true, very true. that leads us to idea of saying s...true, very true. that leads us to idea of saying something that may be literally true but is meant to deceive. that is another way to lie.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-59904299439295094942008-10-30T11:06:00.000-07:002008-10-30T11:06:00.000-07:00Whatever,Mistakenly speaking a falsehood is only o...Whatever,<BR/>Mistakenly speaking a falsehood is only one of many types of mistakes that can be made. There are always several ways to say the same exact thing.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-83550886529419783482008-10-30T10:58:00.000-07:002008-10-30T10:58:00.000-07:00he chuckles and nods. the reason i prefer the word...he chuckles and nods. the reason i prefer the word falsehood is because we can make mistakes in other things as well not just in telling the truth whereas falsehood deals directly with truth.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-75231298789419141552008-10-30T10:45:00.000-07:002008-10-30T10:45:00.000-07:00I think we spend too much time discussing what thi...I think we spend too much time discussing what things should be called, Griper. If a falsehood that is mistakenly, whether than intentionally, spoken is called a mistake or a falsehood, what's the difference. I think everyone understood what I meant.<BR/><BR/>What I really get a kick out of is how one of my cousins so often says "Oophs! I lied." when all she did was mistakenly said the wrong Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-26915400140159124372008-10-30T10:33:00.000-07:002008-10-30T10:33:00.000-07:00i don't call them mistakes, lista, unless there wa...i don't call them mistakes, lista, unless there was an intent to tell a known truth but the wrong words ended up being said. i just refer to them as falsehoods. it goes along the lines of a statement in a quiz that is answered by true or false.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-83404717260629847272008-10-30T10:12:00.000-07:002008-10-30T10:12:00.000-07:00Another way of saying that is that if someone mist...Another way of saying that is that if someone mistakenly makes an incorrect statement, it is not considered a lie, but a mistake. If someone mistakenly says something that is true, though, this is not applied in the same way. Truth is truth regardless of the motivation of the one proclaiming it.<BR/><BR/>Adversely, though, what's not true is not true regardless of whether it was a deliberate Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-70403858102319544042008-10-30T09:53:00.000-07:002008-10-30T09:53:00.000-07:00a lie, lista, is a lie because it is a deliberate ...a lie, lista, is a lie because it is a deliberate and intentional statement of a falsehood meant to deceive. a truth does not need to be intentional or deliberate. it can result from a guess too.<BR/><BR/>as for a pessimistic optimist it was only a take based on BB's statement that a pessimist always expect things to be worse than they are. if things are better than what they were expected to be The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-27995102904469326552008-10-29T20:16:00.000-07:002008-10-29T20:16:00.000-07:00Griper,This was a very interesting and good post. ...Griper,<BR/>This was a very interesting and good post. I only have a few comments.<BR/><BR/>We need to have faith in God, not just in ourselves and we also need to find our hope in God. God should lead us down His path, not us leading ourselves down our own path.<BR/><BR/>Your comment about "a relative lie" was interesting and got me thinking. The thing is, if a lie can not be relative, than Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-78250440098223924232008-10-16T14:45:00.000-07:002008-10-16T14:45:00.000-07:00after looking at the site, bb, gave i had one craz...after looking at the site, bb, gave i had one crazy thought. a post written using only the terms that the site provided. lolThe Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-83965369575876192362008-10-16T12:20:00.000-07:002008-10-16T12:20:00.000-07:00Heidianne, in answer, your parenthetical phrase me...Heidianne, in answer, your parenthetical phrase mentioning<BR/>'leftard' piqued my curiosity. Of course it is a well-known epithet<BR/>(or as Griper's Grandpa would note,<BR/>a condensed appositive) appearing in hundreds of blogs. I take it to mean 'anyone who thinks differently', from its ubiquituous<BR/>usage. So, anyhoo..I was trying to find the definition, ran across synonyms and ended up BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01168862935045755393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-50824512412026307092008-10-16T08:58:00.000-07:002008-10-16T08:58:00.000-07:00you know, bb, i was thinking, being a pessimistic ...you know, bb, i was thinking, being a pessimistic optimist is the perfect place to be. i think i'll join you there. its a position that forces to think deeper along with the inspiration to smile at life. it can even force you to laugh at yourself.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-46881730062092947132008-10-16T08:55:00.000-07:002008-10-16T08:55:00.000-07:00from bb "Heidianne sent me to the dictionary and I...from bb "Heidianne sent me to the dictionary and I find"<BR/><BR/>huh? what in my comment sent you to the dictionary? and in what dictionary did you look?heidianne jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783032991482798159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-59136363391418431492008-10-15T20:09:00.000-07:002008-10-15T20:09:00.000-07:00the answer is simple heidianne. they have an agend...the answer is simple heidianne. they have an agenda of their own and they'd rather exploit times as these to advance that agenda.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-86859080198732877332008-10-15T19:27:00.000-07:002008-10-15T19:27:00.000-07:00it seems so simplistic and logical when you lay it...it seems so simplistic and logical when you lay it out like this, griper. why can't the leftards get it!?!?heidianne jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06783032991482798159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-36711233662495190602008-10-15T12:13:00.000-07:002008-10-15T12:13:00.000-07:00I love BB's oxymoron list. "Death benefits". LOL!...I love BB's oxymoron list. "Death benefits". LOL!<BR/><BR/>Yep, snow is on my mind because I haven't seen any real snow in years. I <I>want</I> to have to help shovel the driveway!Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02540710405153666843noreply@blogger.com