tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post7883159560068745053..comments2023-09-11T02:30:21.736-07:00Comments on Just a Man with his Thoughts: The Preamble to the Constitution of the United States (part III)The Griperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-25937896530507596132010-10-26T10:38:45.786-07:002010-10-26T10:38:45.786-07:00Before I Move on to another Post, there was someth...Before I Move on to another Post, there was something in my Comment that I want to Expand Upon.<br /><br />When ever we Enter into <b>a Treaty or Contract</b> we Forfeit a small Portion of our Sovereignty and yet Treaties are Necessary. The Constitution was such a Treaty between the States.<br /><br />Do I Dare Mention the Word <i>"Compromise"</i>? Sometimes Treaties and Contracts areListahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-10545200408893214122010-10-26T10:22:08.391-07:002010-10-26T10:22:08.391-07:00Griper,
The Political Term that is more Familiar t...<b>Griper</b>,<br />The Political Term that is more Familiar to me is the Word <i>"Sovereignty"</i>. I have no Clue what you mean by <i>"Self Rule"</i>, so I went with what I Knew. The Phrase <i>"Self Rule"</i> Might be even Better, though, because I don't Think it Implies the Extreme to the same Extent.<br /><br />Here is a Definition of <b>Sovereignty</b>...<Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-18386997261651808742010-10-26T09:46:03.663-07:002010-10-26T09:46:03.663-07:00Self-rule is typically defined as self government....Self-rule is typically defined as self government.<br />Rather cyclical definition.<br />The concept likely arose from the US revolution as<br />a counter to 'foreign rule' for ever since colonies have clamored for<br />self-rule for better or worse. And it goes on..<br />Basques, Chechnyans and the like. I must apologise, for political<br />and constitutional history are not great areas BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01168862935045755393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-79648039530997205272010-10-26T07:04:04.988-07:002010-10-26T07:04:04.988-07:00BB, and lista,
a question:
what are your ideas of ...BB, and lista,<br />a question:<br />what are your ideas of the meaning of the political term, self rule? from your responses i can see that we have to have different ideas of its meaning.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-13046281117641317902010-10-25T22:58:05.498-07:002010-10-25T22:58:05.498-07:00Gorges Smythe,
I'm going to say the Same Thing...<b>Gorges Smythe</b>,<br />I'm going to say the Same Thing to you that I have said to Griper. Just Taking one Item Away from the Rule of the States does not Leave the States with no Self-Rule at all. The Self-Rule of the States has been Eaten Away Over Time. No Single Event has Caused the Total Loss of the Self-Rule of the States.<br /><br />I Agree with <b>BB</b>. State Powers were Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-29083270000926031622010-10-25T19:09:51.216-07:002010-10-25T19:09:51.216-07:00"The States have already lost their right of ..."The States have already lost their right of self rule." <br />I suppose...if you consider 'self rule' as a constitutionally guaranteed<br />'states right'. The 10th<br />Amendment-<br />"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." and the &#BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01168862935045755393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-31688365731757101952010-10-25T16:50:42.402-07:002010-10-25T16:50:42.402-07:00Gorges,
Good observation in regards to whether it ...Gorges,<br />Good observation in regards to whether it was the will of God that prompted these events. and it could be an inspiring basis of another post if i decide to run with it.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-11508376012077729192010-10-25T16:28:11.908-07:002010-10-25T16:28:11.908-07:00BB,
yes you did and here is your quote
"The ...BB,<br />yes you did and here is your quote<br /><br />"The States have already lost their right of self rule."<br />Yep, that was hashed out at Gettysburg, Jul 3, 1863"<br /><br />this quote is found back in my post in regards to voting for a Master or a servant. and that was the first inspiration for this series.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-55672050504208691692010-10-25T16:17:19.777-07:002010-10-25T16:17:19.777-07:00what the States lost was the right to make their o...what the States lost was the right to make their own decisions on the issue of slavery as was the right of all States. this right to make that decision had been exercized previously by other States of the union thus, proof that it was a State right of rule.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-7242027282291924292010-10-25T16:16:42.494-07:002010-10-25T16:16:42.494-07:00The Griper is correct, Lista. It WAS the Uncivil W...The Griper is correct, Lista. It WAS the Uncivil War that ended the proper hierarchy. Of course, then we can ask if it was the Lord's will, so we could be a united country and win two world wars (but that's a whole NEW subject, and purely speculative).Gorges Smythehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08777621500611603786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-87204369030173679852010-10-25T16:12:42.814-07:002010-10-25T16:12:42.814-07:00Did BB say the 'states lost their rights?'...Did BB say the 'states lost their rights?' BB mentioned the weakening of<br />state powers when the Articles were dumped in favor of the Constitution.<br />BB noted that 'states rights' were an excuse for slavery, meaning an artificiality which never existed, but an excuse to promulgate the institution of slavery. Regarding the Civil War, he noted,<br />"While that preserved BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01168862935045755393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-40253945670101690512010-10-25T16:01:01.179-07:002010-10-25T16:01:01.179-07:00Since the President is Still Subordinate to the Co...Since the President is Still Subordinate to the Congress, the States are Still Ruling. As Long as we Keep Electing Representatives that Believe in Large, rather than Small Government, we are Giving Permission for the Power to Remain where it is.<br /><br />The Main Right that was Lost by the States, as the Result of the Civil War, was the Right to Allow Slavery. If there was something other Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-28573833128400940652010-10-25T15:31:14.670-07:002010-10-25T15:31:14.670-07:00lista,
the concept of State rights are the rights ...lista,<br />the concept of State rights are the rights of rule. so, when it is seen that the States lost their rights as BB pointed out in the comments of a previous post it is in reference to this. and that loss of rights resulted in the inversion of the hierarchy of power that you asked about and was the subject of this post.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-20025663354603385572010-10-25T15:24:24.638-07:002010-10-25T15:24:24.638-07:00Ok. I Read it. Go Ahead and Respond.Ok. I Read it. Go Ahead and Respond.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-35978570514073222852010-10-25T15:20:40.712-07:002010-10-25T15:20:40.712-07:00he just smiles at lista's response but decides...he just smiles at lista's response but decides to wait until she has had the opportunity to read the whole post before responding to her comment.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-79898795568547542232010-10-25T15:19:27.765-07:002010-10-25T15:19:27.765-07:00"It was the Civil War that resulted in an inv...<i>"It was the Civil War that resulted in an inversion of this established hierarchy."</i><br /><br />Ok. Now you Lost me. Isn't the Federal Government Still Subordinate to the States (the Congress)?<br /><br />Since I have been Interacting with Libertarians, I have Realized that they are Actually the Ones who Hold to the Extreme Positions that I Oppose. This is not just the Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-80272080267282143052010-10-25T14:15:19.675-07:002010-10-25T14:15:19.675-07:00The Actual First Attempt at Governmental Structure...The Actual First Attempt at Governmental Structure was done with the Federalists Papers, yet the Whole Reason for the Constitution was because it became Obvious very Quickly that the Form of Government set out by the Federalists Papers was not Working.<br /><br />The Constitution was Written because it was Obvious that some Form of Federal Government was, In Fact, Needed.<br /><br />Due to Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.com