tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post6848243803424715985..comments2023-09-11T02:30:21.736-07:00Comments on Just a Man with his Thoughts: Simple Ramblings of ThoughtsThe Griperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-52722559626356726462008-08-26T18:18:00.000-07:002008-08-26T18:18:00.000-07:00yes it can be predictable but not on the individu...yes it can be predictable but not on the individual level, lista, only on the group level and that prediction is relative not absolute.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-11274915819264976132008-08-26T16:51:00.000-07:002008-08-26T16:51:00.000-07:00Amazingly, a lot of human behavior can be predicte...Amazingly, a lot of human behavior can be predicted. This is because those who lack strength in their spirit live according to the laws of their flesh, "Human Nature", and lack the strength to make decisions that transcend Human Nature. Here are a few other verses.<BR/><BR/><I>"13) For if you live according to the flesh, you will die, but if, by the Spirit, you put to death the deeds of the Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-1838857793147049162008-08-26T10:26:00.000-07:002008-08-26T10:26:00.000-07:00we are in total agreement on your last comment, li...we are in total agreement on your last comment, lista.<BR/><BR/>science presupposes determinism when studying the behavior of the universe. and from this it can be declared in absolute terms because it can be measured. and it is the laws of physics that allows the absoluteness of measurement.<BR/><BR/>theology presupposes free will in man's relationship to each other and God. and while man's The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-90666451062184139682008-08-26T09:53:00.000-07:002008-08-26T09:53:00.000-07:00Perhaps the word cause is really not entirely accu...Perhaps the word cause is really not entirely accurate. When there is free choice, than all that really exists is influence, not cause. Cause exists in the physical world, yet in the human world, there is only influence and not cause.<BR/><BR/>There is an interesting verse in the Bible that goes like this.<BR/><BR/><I>"6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-67408836148512951232008-08-26T09:24:00.000-07:002008-08-26T09:24:00.000-07:00free will is the recognition of possessing choices...free will is the recognition of possessing choices of actions or reaction.<BR/><BR/>cause does not allow for choices of action. with cause, the objects acts in only one way, the way the cause dictates.<BR/><BR/>a rock rolls down a hill. the cause is gravity. that rock has no choice but continue rolling until another cause stops it.<BR/><BR/>we roll down the hill but we can stop ourself by choice The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-54752583579579231292008-08-26T08:19:00.000-07:002008-08-26T08:19:00.000-07:00I thought that you said that we have free will. H...I thought that you said that we have free will. How than can we not be our own cause? The Cause is what we do. The Effect is what happens to us as the result due to the laws of nature or whatever. <BR/><BR/>"Free will deals with the cause and the cause alone."<BR/><BR/>Ah, but the Effect, or at least the expected Effect will influence our decisions. Thus Effect, does in fact, deal with, or Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-29306950868415708702008-08-26T07:56:00.000-07:002008-08-26T07:56:00.000-07:00we cannot be our own cause, lista. we act or react...we cannot be our own cause, lista. we act or react. as per your example we would be both, the cause and the effect.<BR/><BR/>you can't, in reality, separate the self from the decisions that the self makes.<BR/><BR/>we can be the cause of the effects on another or we can feel the effects as caused by another and from that laws can be constructed to punish the cause but not the effect.<BR/><BR/>The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-34394686228776863542008-08-26T00:40:00.000-07:002008-08-26T00:40:00.000-07:00Yes, I liked BB's joke too.I'm still trying to fig...Yes, I liked BB's joke too.<BR/><BR/>I'm still trying to figure out why I blog. My blog keeps changing. Sometimes, I feel really determined to have some kind of an effect on my world. Other times, I get discouraged and just blog to blog or I let some time go by while not saying much of anything and sometimes this happens because life itself can be so distracting.<BR/><BR/>I don't really have Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-74256499769970110392008-08-22T14:31:00.000-07:002008-08-22T14:31:00.000-07:00I definitely don't advocate the ends justify the m...I definitely don't advocate the ends justify the means on a personal basis and that is probably why I was never any good at business.<BR/><BR/>The post on the means are some points I read from a MoveOn email, the video is also from that email. I thought they were pertinent hence I posted them. They are a counter to the means currently used by Fox News, conservative bloggers to smear Senator ObamaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-81157908067300346922008-08-20T10:02:00.000-07:002008-08-20T10:02:00.000-07:00bb,cause and effect is the basis of the philosophy...bb,<BR/>cause and effect is the basis of the philosophy of determinism or predestination not free will. morality cannot be assigned to determinism. for morality to have any meaning, free will must exist.<BR/><BR/>and one of the arguments against the war in Iraq is the charge of it being an immoral act.<BR/><BR/>and it is also a factor in the argument of the meaning of representative when The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-65752261049328890092008-08-20T07:51:00.000-07:002008-08-20T07:51:00.000-07:00Dunno, Griper. Don't you suspect'end justi...Dunno, Griper. Don't you suspect<BR/>'end justifies the means' is as simple as assigning morality to<BR/>'cause & effect'? For example,<BR/>a desperate father can save a dying child by robbing a bank, or<BR/>the surgeon can save a life by<BR/>amputating a leg. An example in my experience comes from the world of business. Making money is the end.<BR/>Advertising is the BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01168862935045755393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-7168983580112220932008-08-19T19:53:00.000-07:002008-08-19T19:53:00.000-07:00bb,"..but that brings us back again to the misty g...bb,<BR/>"..but that brings us back again to the misty gray areas of consequentialism. :)"<BR/><BR/>is the recognition that there are both, benefits and consequences, that can result from any action or reaction either of which may result "consequentialism?"The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-67535908948840178972008-08-19T17:59:00.000-07:002008-08-19T17:59:00.000-07:00Crian,"...I think generally speaking that is how t...Crian,<BR/>"...I think generally speaking that is how the most succesful operate?<BR/><BR/>it is also why our prisons are filled to the hilt. no goal(the end) is in and of itself wrong. it is we go about reaching that goal that makes the difference.<BR/><BR/>if a person needs to cheat and lie to reach that goal, he may reach that goal successfully but has he reached it rightiously?<BR/><BR/>look The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-18517388508033597752008-08-19T16:41:00.000-07:002008-08-19T16:41:00.000-07:00That catchy phrase "the end justifies the means" h...That catchy phrase "the end justifies the means" has the attributes of absoluteness..as opposed to say, modifying it with<BR/>'sometimes' 'when desperate'. It was sometimes used to describe Marxism, [*] but my favorite example was the Japanese general in early WWII, who offered, when explaining the 'Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere' as one asian country after another fell to the<BR/>BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01168862935045755393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-46311888936157977502008-08-19T15:40:00.000-07:002008-08-19T15:40:00.000-07:00Hey Griper, the ruthless remark was in reference t...Hey Griper, the ruthless remark was in reference to the values in society today and not linked to technology. <BR/><BR/>Technology does make things easier and faster but it is through this ease and speed, it has changed society. Technology is a tool but certain technologies like mp3 players make it easier to entertain yourself but they have changed society in the 1st world so much so that every Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-47264192383902079882008-08-19T09:46:00.000-07:002008-08-19T09:46:00.000-07:00tweety,you're a good listener and being a good lis...tweety,<BR/>you're a good listener and being a good listener is better than being a good talker any day of the week.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-12747725312117053832008-08-19T09:35:00.000-07:002008-08-19T09:35:00.000-07:00ty, throwin stones. hope you visit again and that ...ty, throwin stones. hope you visit again and that my posts continue to meet your standards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-43769415521158384202008-08-19T09:27:00.000-07:002008-08-19T09:27:00.000-07:00You have hit this one directly on the head Griper....You have hit this one directly on the head Griper... I like reading here. You are correct about some of us learning. I have learned lots of stuff from Gayle with the politics. I am still not real good with them but I have learned its part of who we are as Americans..tweetey30https://www.blogger.com/profile/04780963604845788306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-32029979065564906162008-08-19T04:51:00.000-07:002008-08-19T04:51:00.000-07:00I love this blog and that Tramp cartoon was a deli...I love this blog and that Tramp cartoon was a delight.<BR/>Thanks for the memoriesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-37851589026283410602008-08-18T07:21:00.000-07:002008-08-18T07:21:00.000-07:00Crian,Technology only makes things easier or faste...Crian,<BR/>Technology only makes things easier or faster, and it should have no effect on a society in the ways that be important. they are only the tools we use. mankind has always used tools to make things easier. it doesn't force people to be ruthless or do things we shouldn't do. <BR/><BR/>principles still apply today as they did yesteryear. but i will admit that honor is no longer the The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-20059384113061445072008-08-18T05:44:00.000-07:002008-08-18T05:44:00.000-07:00Forgot to include this, great joke BB :)Forgot to include this, great joke BB :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-70656011677345269982008-08-18T05:43:00.000-07:002008-08-18T05:43:00.000-07:00I have been blogging in one form or another since ...I have been blogging in one form or another since 1999 when all we had at my house was a 56K modem, I have stopped and started over the years until I finally decided to start up my own space because to me, I wanted to contribute towards the election in some way. After the election, it will be because I am a news junky and love politics.<BR/><BR/>I am not sure whether society is better off these Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-82235466643113255652008-08-17T18:41:00.000-07:002008-08-17T18:41:00.000-07:00he sits here laughin,,ahhh very good, bb, a perfec...he sits here laughin,,ahhh very good, bb, a perfect joke.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-56411828234378710462008-08-17T18:32:00.000-07:002008-08-17T18:32:00.000-07:00It's just perspective..Q: How do you tell the diff...It's just perspective..<BR/>Q: How do you tell the difference between a liberal and a conservative? <BR/>A: Easy. Watch a man drowning fifty feet offshore. <BR/>The conservative will throw out 25 feet of rope and shout "swim for it!" <BR/><BR/>The liberal will toss out 50 feet of rope, drop his own end, and go off to do another good deed.BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01168862935045755393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-39575258611070359912008-08-17T14:26:00.000-07:002008-08-17T14:26:00.000-07:00awwww bb, we'll be careful not to shoot you. lolawwww bb, we'll be careful not to shoot you. lolThe Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.com