tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post6241514359017762081..comments2023-09-11T02:30:21.736-07:00Comments on Just a Man with his Thoughts: Human Beings With All of their Differences and Inequalities of NatureThe Griperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-39529943264744883172011-02-11T19:13:30.164-08:002011-02-11T19:13:30.164-08:00Huh. What I Wonder now is whether or not BB-Idaho...Huh. What I Wonder now is whether or not BB-Idaho would Agree that your Previous Comment was nothing more than a Clarification of what I was already Saying. But then again, he is Quite Likely to just Step Back and say <i>"No, Way! I'm not going to get Involved in the Conflict between you Two."</i>, so I Tell you What...<br /><br />At this Point, I'm just going to Drop it and Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-70430077294896927202011-02-11T18:56:01.649-08:002011-02-11T18:56:01.649-08:00lista,
i've already said we were in agreement ...lista,<br />i've already said we were in agreement earlier. the only thing i did was clarify what you were already saying.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-84860297195646770502011-02-11T18:45:11.705-08:002011-02-11T18:45:11.705-08:00I Wonder where Man of Wonder Went. Did he have Tr...I Wonder where <b>Man of Wonder</b> Went. Did he have Trouble Finding an Adequate Step Ladder to Help him Understand what we've been Talking about?<br /><br />You see, <b>Griper</b>, this is another Reason why being Limited to Scientific Terms is not such a Good Idea, for in Doing so, we Exclude Certain People from the Conversation who haven't Studied the Subject, nor the Technical Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-49365013823721500522011-02-11T18:30:40.478-08:002011-02-11T18:30:40.478-08:00Ok. Now for the Definitions of Words.
The Word &...Ok. Now for the Definitions of Words.<br /><br />The Word <i><b>"Range"</b></i> sometimes Refers to the Largest and Smallest Values <b>within what is Considered Normal</b>. This is not the Largest and Smallest Values on the Bell Curve. In Grading, those who get the Cs are Considered Average and this is an Average Range, not the Absolute Average Number, as Figured Out Mathematically.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-29888355202942060772011-02-11T18:13:08.673-08:002011-02-11T18:13:08.673-08:00Here's the Thing... When I Stepped Back a Few...Here's the Thing... <b>When I Stepped Back a Few Feet and Read the Second of the Above Quotes Again</b>, I Realized Something and that is that <b>My Initial Interpretation that you were Trying to Discredit my Words and Were Contradicting yourself</b> were not the Only Interpretations that could be Made. <b>The Other Interpretation is that you are Simply Explaining why you Use Absolutes.</b>Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-64529304307435461812011-02-11T17:54:30.202-08:002011-02-11T17:54:30.202-08:00Hi Griper,
When I First Read your above Comment, I...Hi <b>Griper</b>,<br />When I First Read your above Comment, I was Thinking that <i>"You Correct me Over very Little Things that are not Really that Important and that is why I get the Feeling that you just Want me to be Wrong."</i><br /><br />Along with that Thought, I saw what Appeared to me to be a Contradiction and here are the Two Quotes that Appear to Contradict.<br /><br /><i>&Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-91673179081372784842011-02-10T16:25:35.449-08:002011-02-10T16:25:35.449-08:00"Oh, and before I Close, I Guess I Should Adm..."Oh, and before I Close, I Guess I Should Admit to Griper that there are Times in which Average Refers to a Range of People in the Middle, not just to an Individual. I just Realized that as I was Typing this Comment. That would not be, however, the Scientific Definition, but a more Common One."<br /><br />lista, we are speaking of statistical analysis when referring to these words. and The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-23856989048912058732011-02-10T15:38:46.710-08:002011-02-10T15:38:46.710-08:00One Last Thought about Grading on a Curve. In a W...One Last Thought about Grading on a Curve. In a Way, Life itself is this way, for when there are X Number of Exceptionally Good Jobs Available (<b>A Jobs</b>), Only a Certain Number of People will Get them and the Same is True of Good Jobs (<b>B Jobs</b>), Average Jobs (<b>C Jobs</b>), Not so Good Jobs (<b>D Jobs</b>) and then there is Of Course <b>the Unemployment Statistics (the F)</b>.<br /><Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-4211137962396156202011-02-10T15:00:35.419-08:002011-02-10T15:00:35.419-08:00Whether you believe more in the Nurture or Nature ...Whether you believe more in the Nurture or Nature Idea is Irrelevant. Either Way, the Ability to be Internally Motivated was Originally Received from a Source Other than Oneself, so it is not Accurate to Attribute to Oneself the Credit for the Internal Motivation. In Fact, such can be Accurately Called Arrogance.<br /><br />I Thought that it was Interesting, <b>BB</b>, how you Compared InternalListahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-55415641391749723402011-02-10T14:44:02.595-08:002011-02-10T14:44:02.595-08:00When Grading on a Curve, Griper, the Grades do not...When Grading on a Curve, <b>Griper</b>, the Grades do not Actually Measure Learning, at Least not in Comparison to Oneself. It Only Measures the Actual Level that a Student is at when the Test is given in Comparison to the Level of the Other Students when the Test is Given.<br /><br />To Actually Measure the Learning of any Individual Student, you would have to Compare what they Knew at an Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-30395702552618146672011-02-10T12:35:45.164-08:002011-02-10T12:35:45.164-08:00that was the purpose of using the Bell curve, BB. ...that was the purpose of using the Bell curve, BB. by its use we illustrate that there are no absolutes. but we can use absolute terms to illustrate dominant attributes as opposed to subordinate attributes. what we cannot do is determine the absolute measurement of dominance or subordination in each individual. the most we can do is use comparative words to indicate a greater or less dominance of The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-64179470733211248512011-02-10T10:56:38.229-08:002011-02-10T10:56:38.229-08:00Thinking about "They can be further identifie...Thinking about "They can be further identified by the idea that externally motivated persons accept the premise of determinism while internally motivated persons accept the premise of free will." I suspect only the purest will be on either bell curve tail, for<br />most of us inevitably run into both internal/external motivation as well as<br />determinist/free will situations. For BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01168862935045755393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-62335935589689136642011-02-10T00:35:09.072-08:002011-02-10T00:35:09.072-08:00"When I Think of Average, or Actually the &qu..."When I Think of Average, or Actually the "Norm",..."<br /><br />lista, you and i was saying the same thing. the only difference between your explanation and mine was that you were using scientific terminology while i was using common terminology.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-18714013066766039402011-02-10T00:29:28.389-08:002011-02-10T00:29:28.389-08:00"I was not Relating Incentives and Motivation..."I was not Relating Incentives and Motivation to Test Scores and Grades, Griper. I was Relating it to Motivating Students to Learn."<br /><br />test scores is the means by which a teacher uses to measure learning, lista. so it is all related. <br /><br />it is from test scores that a teacher can determine whether or not students need incentives or not.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-10409455163448082011-02-10T00:04:56.414-08:002011-02-10T00:04:56.414-08:00Griper,
Here's a Response to your Reply to Man...<b>Griper</b>,<br />Here's a Response to your Reply to Man of Wonder.<br /><br />But there is a Place for Every Individual on the Bell Curve. Also, When I Think of Average, or Actually the <i>"Norm"</i>, I Think of a Range on the Bell Curve, not a Specific Number in the Middle. Perhaps Average is not the Right Word for that, but I was Trying to Keep it Simple.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-84039597324141324202011-02-09T23:53:46.623-08:002011-02-09T23:53:46.623-08:00I was not Relating Incentives and Motivation to Te...I was not Relating Incentives and Motivation to Test Scores and Grades, <b>Griper</b>. I was Relating it to Motivating Students to Learn. I see now, though, how what you were Saying about Grading on a Curve is Correct, for Incentives and Motivation would Indeed effect the Test Scores, but not the Grades.<br /><br />Incentives and Motivation also Relate to other Things, though. In Relation to Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-35663164604207360062011-02-09T23:30:39.570-08:002011-02-09T23:30:39.570-08:00manof wonder,
"But folks is folks and we don&...manof wonder,<br />"But folks is folks and we don't fit with the science of facts."<br /><br />when a person is thinking in terms of individualism you are right. that is why there is no such person as the "average person". it is a mythical person.<br /><br />it is only applicable to those who think in terms of collectivism. science does not study individuals. they study The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-16510467961360687582011-02-09T23:30:24.363-08:002011-02-09T23:30:24.363-08:00She Smiles,
Am I Losing you too, Man of Wonder? P...She Smiles,<br />Am I Losing you too, Man of Wonder? Perhaps we should Start with Internally Motivated. That Means that you have the Ability to Motivate Yourself. Externally Motivated means that you are Motivated by Others and have a Hard Time Functioning when You are Alone and Lack the Moral Support of those Around you.<br /><br />I Hope I'm not being more Basic than I should be. It'Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-28234132516042755662011-02-09T23:10:28.553-08:002011-02-09T23:10:28.553-08:00lista,
"What Specific Issues that I Brought U...lista,<br />"What Specific Issues that I Brought Up are Irrelevant? Irrelevant to What? What would Only Affect the Test Scores, but not the Grades?"<br /><br />the idea of incentives and motivation would only effect the test scores but not the grades of the students under the curve method of grading.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-33492055274103494422011-02-09T22:27:17.463-08:002011-02-09T22:27:17.463-08:00Okay day two.
I will statistically ISO 9000 state...Okay day two.<br /><br />I will statistically ISO 9000 state that bell curves work in a sense, if the science of math is applied. But folks is folks and we don't fit with the science of facts.<br /><br />I still don't got a clue wut you folks are talkin about. But iffen you don't understand the quality of that Black and White admission, I'll see y'all tomorrow. <br /><br />I amanofwonderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07768503222281730188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-81877588009906663762011-02-09T19:55:54.345-08:002011-02-09T19:55:54.345-08:00The Subject of your Post, Griper, is not Grading o...The Subject of your Post, <b>Griper</b>, is not Grading on a Curve, nor is it even Test Scores. The Subject of your Post is Internally and Externally Motivated People and the Issues that I Brought Up in my Above Comments are Entirely on Topic.<br /><br />Like Usual, though, we are Probably not Understanding One Another, for the Two of Us don't Seem to Speak the Same Language.<br /><br />Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-25675030383847790702011-02-09T17:29:05.858-08:002011-02-09T17:29:05.858-08:00lista,
under this system the issues you brought up...lista,<br />under this system the issues you brought up would be irrelevant. they would only affect the test scores of the students but not affect their place in the class for grades.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-72572910224674948442011-02-09T16:54:36.512-08:002011-02-09T16:54:36.512-08:00Gee Griper,
The Percentages that you Stated Only A...Gee Griper,<br />The Percentages that you Stated Only Allows for a Remaining 6% for the A and the F. That would be 3% for Each and in a Class of 33 Students that Would Only be 1 A in the Entire Class. Is the One with the Lowest Score also Guaranteed to get an F? That's not Right.<br /><br />Oh well. Like I said the Other Issues I Brought Up are Really more Important to me than this one.Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-57770086717094135792011-02-09T16:42:51.548-08:002011-02-09T16:42:51.548-08:00I Never Said that you don't Understand Statist...I Never Said that you don't Understand Statistical Analysis, Griper, and Never Would. I Was Speaking of Man of Wonder, for he was Complaining that his Head Hurt.<br /><br />It's Funny that So Far, you have Only Responded to the Part of my Comments that are the Least Important to me. My Main Point was how the Internally Motivated have a Tendency to Judge those who Lack such Motivation Listahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11590249616509349170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-47701038189829503822011-02-09T15:57:50.749-08:002011-02-09T15:57:50.749-08:00lista,
statistical analysis is a subject i am well...lista,<br />statistical analysis is a subject i am well familiar with and i understand every word BB was saying. if i didn't understand it i wouldn't have used the curve as an illustration in this essay.<br /><br />and grading by the curve is determined by the number of students in the class not by the test scores. it declares that 68% of all students will receive a C grade and 13% will The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.com