tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post1912350489029860965..comments2023-09-11T02:30:21.736-07:00Comments on Just a Man with his Thoughts: The Costs of Health Care, It's Too High?The Griperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-4632147734045992782010-01-03T15:18:31.501-08:002010-01-03T15:18:31.501-08:00"A 4% income tax that everybody pays menas ev..."A 4% income tax that everybody pays menas everybody pays Griper"<br /><br />fine, how does the government collect that 4% from those who have income and do not declare it?<br /><br />how does the government collect that 4% from those who pays taxes on paper but not in reality?<br /><br />the rest of your answer is nothing but misleading and exaggerations.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-78079902892278175702010-01-03T12:57:39.635-08:002010-01-03T12:57:39.635-08:00A 4% income tax that everybody pays menas everybod...A 4% income tax that everybody pays menas everybody pays Griper. <br /><br /> An end to the handcuffing HMO's breeds competition among health care providers. I figured that would appeal to the right. <br /><br /><br /> Sorry CJ. A million dollars won't cover retirement after a cancer or broken hip requiring 4 months in a nursing home. I've seen many loved ones end up destitute Joe "Truth 101" Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08875151516978133598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-31754642313800727432010-01-03T12:39:10.393-08:002010-01-03T12:39:10.393-08:00excellent comments CJ. and those are just one idea...excellent comments CJ. and those are just one idea that would lower the cost of medical care by at least 50%<br />the poor, making minimum wage, could do the same thing. this would do more to lower the poverty rate in this country than all of the government programs together has tried to do.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-89574018796176937492010-01-03T10:02:35.586-08:002010-01-03T10:02:35.586-08:00@RN
My question to you and your readership is this...@RN<br /><i>My question to you and your readership is this: is this situation right, should it be sustained, and is it ration? </i><br />The situation is crazy. By age 60, the average person planning to have a basic retirement should have close to 1 million dollars saved. That money should be accumulated by saving a tiny fraction of his income over the years for retirement. <br /><br />At age CJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05824987036580158137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-10070812217181787092010-01-03T09:56:42.560-08:002010-01-03T09:56:42.560-08:00RN made a real world scenario and you think someon...<i>RN made a real world scenario and you think someone of middle class means could actually save enough during his lifetime to not only retire, but pay a medical bill that unless he's in a fatal car accident or something, will surely befall him.</i><br />If it's impossible for the middle class to save money to pay for things likely to befall them, where will the money come from? It won&#CJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05824987036580158137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-43599636308032132552010-01-02T21:52:42.680-08:002010-01-02T21:52:42.680-08:00Truth,
i haven't advocated for anything yet. i...Truth,<br />i haven't advocated for anything yet. i just presented the problems that i see in the present proposals. <br /><br />"A 4% income tax along with appropriate copays... Everybody contributes so nobody is getting "free" health care."<br /><br />do you have any idea of how many persons there are out there with incomes but do not pay any income taxes?<br /><br />The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-945037658892927202010-01-02T18:11:02.290-08:002010-01-02T18:11:02.290-08:00I've submitted a plan for the world to see man...I've submitted a plan for the world to see many times Griper. A 4% income tax along with appropriate copays to keep the mooches from taking advantage of the system as my plan for single payer health insurance. No more premiums to insurance companies. No more burden on employers for health insurance expense. Everybody contributes so nobody is getting "free" health care.<br /><br /Joe "Truth 101" Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08875151516978133598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-60509141616399128992010-01-02T14:10:21.686-08:002010-01-02T14:10:21.686-08:00you don't need to have a direct stake in somet...you don't need to have a direct stake in something to see it as an emotional argument, RN there is the emotion of empathy.<br /><br />and it will always be a situation some individuals will need to accept too. it has always plaguaded some individual throughout our history.<br /><br />even a few of our founding fathers suffered this situation.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-47125293722224335422010-01-02T11:36:44.319-08:002010-01-02T11:36:44.319-08:00Not emotion Griper. I have no direct stake in this...Not emotion Griper. I have no direct stake in this situation.<br /><br />It is a situation that will, if the past decade is any indication, continue to plague us.<br /><br />On a different not check out my post,up 15 minutes ago.Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-85669610878803717162010-01-01T23:25:32.484-08:002010-01-01T23:25:32.484-08:00ok, the problem you created results in a conflict ...ok, the problem you created results in a conflict of emotions not one of logic, RN. it's an "undesirable" situation and one that we hope to avoid after years of work but it still is a common problem that occurs to a few of us. and we shouldn't allow age to create an emotional situation. the answer should be the same regardless of age.<br /><br />statistics would call that The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-34827603964437667652010-01-01T22:04:30.575-08:002010-01-01T22:04:30.575-08:00Amazing as alwaysAmazing as alwaysAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-3909810868798782492010-01-01T20:14:39.607-08:002010-01-01T20:14:39.607-08:00Again I see your point. The problem is this:
I re...Again I see your point. The problem is this:<br /><br />I recently had relatively minor surgery. Cost - $12,000. I was left with a $600.00 cost to my family which I can afford to pay. Along with my $2500.00 annual insurance premiums. Fortunately I continued to receive my salary while out of work.<br /><br />The man in my real life example had surgery much more extensive than mine and a much Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-64036042533329670562010-01-01T20:14:31.893-08:002010-01-01T20:14:31.893-08:00@Rational Nation
I didn't fully understand the...@Rational Nation<br />I didn't fully understand the scenario you laid out, but like so many problems it sounds like one that would be solved by saving a little bit of money. <br /><br />If this 60y/o man had been putting away a decent amt for retirement and a decent amt for emergencies, this is really a tiny fraction of his income over 40 years of his working life so far, he should have CJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05824987036580158137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-43497608427911114812010-01-01T18:20:07.801-08:002010-01-01T18:20:07.801-08:00we advocate individualism, my friend so the scenar...we advocate individualism, my friend so the scenario you have depicted is a individualistical problem not societal.<br /><br />and while you did not give enough information so as to analyze the problem fully i can see a lesson to be learned here.<br /><br />that scenario exemplifies the need for independence and would be a good example case to teach others on the benefits of individualism vs the The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19510439.post-18056107848590220982010-01-01T17:49:37.763-08:002010-01-01T17:49:37.763-08:00And, as I agree with much of your premise let me a...And, as I agree with much of your premise let me ask this, a real life situation ;<br /><br />A 60 year old man, duly employed by a national corporation, paying taxes into a system he supported for his entire working life, finds himself out of work for a surgery necessary to continue his line of work.<br /><br />After a short period of time (less than doctors and rehabilitation experts recommend Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.com